Gothic ~ Melancholic
Ailurophile ~ Disabled Feminist ~ Cinephile
Vegetarian ~ Catholic
"Looking at the comments on several reviews of the finale, there’s a particularly heavy obsession, borderline insanity, with why the “clues” about Marty’s daughter Audrey (the drawings, dolls, and crown) were never addressed.
I never read into what she was doing as having any relation to the crimes or the cult. I read Audrey’s behavior as being the direct result of an inattentive father. Seeking male attention in other places, or even seeking to get into trouble, perhaps, to get the attention of her father; it was not related to the killings or anyone around them. I don’t even remember seeing the spiral in her room. The general chatter around those things is great, but it’s probably the kind of chatter that wouldn’t have happened had all those episodes been released at once. The anticipation-speculation that comes with a weekly schedule is a double-edged sword. Because people have more time to talk about things, some crazy ideas get a lot of attention.”
So Audrey’s actions are a result of an inattentive father / unnoticed set pieces…
And so it goes that true villain in True Detective is not a single man. It’s an entire culture. One steeped and stuck in a grotesque rut, a Romantic — or love-hate? — fixation with crime and punishment, sex and violence, deception and denial. The horror, the horrorshow.
This is Carcosa.
"That was Fort Macomb, a pre–Civil War fort in New Orleans East. We had driven past it a few times while scouting for other locations and always thought it was cool and would be interesting for something. […]
Nic had always had it written that there would be a certain amount of larger devil’s nests along the way, as well as torches that would lead to a stone altar. As we got into developing the look and motifs of the killer’s art, I became increasingly interested in building toward this moment and setting up all the previous incarnations of his sculpture as the wind-up before the big show. I thought it would be really interesting to experience this chase “inside” his art (and mind) rather than merely running past it. […]”
~ Alex DiGerlando, True Detective’s production designer [x]
“Anything I left back there, I don’t need.” Rust Cohle
In the end, it was only one story, “the oldest: Light versus dark.” And as the two bickering cops stared at the sky, they determined that, despite obvious evidence, light persevered. Everyone expected a twist, and the show delivered: That it was about goodness.
Perfect way to sum it up.
on a more analytical note has anyone else realized that true detective is like a MASSIVE deconstruction of macho cop antihero characters?
like both rust and marty are macho manly men of different types—marty is your average white cis dude who shows no feelings but anger, and rust is the lone wolf smart type who has hidden depths
and their macho shit is what breaks up their friendship, their working relationship, marty’s marriage and his relationship with his daughters, rust’s budding friendship with maggie (no seriously it would have been SO GREAT if rust allowed himself to get close to maggie as a platonic friend and if maggie had felt safe enough to do the same thing)
this is like explicit
the finale has scenes with both marty and rust crying openly and it really seemed to be framed as a good thing—both marty and rust opening up their vulnerabilities and putting away the masculine crap which ruined their lives
like the final scene is rust opening up emotionally to marty and marty comforting him—not trying to brush away rust’s grief with a joke or some other defense, not feeling too awkward to say anything, but talking about something that rust had told him once, about how rust used to make up stories about the stars and it is such a tender scene for these two and how often do you see scenes between two men (especially Masculine with a capital M men) that can be described as tender in any way?
i just UGH this show has so much to say about poisonous masculinity and louisiana politics and classism and relationships between people and it makes me SO HAPPY because i have like NEVER seen a crime show like this before
(now if they could just cover more of the racism and sexism they touched on it would be PERFECT)
To make myself feel better about the unasnwered and unsatisfying ending in regards to the supernatural and cult elements of True Detective by reading the subreddit and IMDB boards, here’s some stuff that is softening the blow:
On the Yellow King-
"When Rust is upset that they didn’t catch them all and Marty says, "we got our guy,” it goes with the theme of Light vs Dark: more darkness in the universe than light and it will always be like that.”
“You’re not supposed to know. The story is left unsolved. They know that they have taken someone down that was harmful to good. That little bit of victory is like a tiny star shining through the light sky. It can’t illuminate everything, but it used to be pitch black. Their victory, while nothing close to full illumination, is better than the continuance of evil by Errol Childress.”
“An embodiment of darkness that infects us with a belief in the inherent evil of humanity. A virus that targets optimism. You’ll never be fun at parties if you let him consume you.”
"It’s the play that the yellow king and carcosa are from. Anyone who makes it past the first act goes mad. As far as we know only Rust watched the whole thing." since time is a flat circle, was Rust actually crazy because he viewed the tape in full at some point in his life? Hence his hallucinations and whatnot, that eerily related to the cult and the case?
The Final Hallucination:
"It was the dimensional rift to the realm of Carcosa. It was the one thing I did appreciate them giving us in this finale. Straight from the Chambers story. Rust saw the true meaning of the universe…”
“It was the spiral. The opening to the other side that was symbolized throughout the series. Remember when Rust said sometimes he thinks he’s crazy and other he feels as though he’s tapping in to the secret wisdom of the universe? I believe he was in that space of time. He knew it was the place. He was seeing things beyond what we can normally see. “
“Rust touched the great void. Errol could be seen as an embodiment of evil/Darkness. That Rust&Marty were intended to end in that cycle. Rust can be seen as little more in touch with the universe, and got a glimpse of it. The light is winning. “
“ Rust has gained a new appreciation of life, but it was through Errol’s ritual that he did so. Errol was trying to transcend; he was making sacrifices to the King in Yellow so that he could see that cosmic vortex that Rust ended up seeing instead, the circle of time. No, I don’t think it was anything more than a hallucination within the show’s universe, but we’re at least supposed to entertain the idea that Errol’s religion was more than make-believe.”
“To add on to what others have said: in the first episode, Marty asks Rust why he has a cross in his apartment. Rust says “I contemplate the moment in the garden. The idea of allowing your own crucifixion.”
Perhaps the point is that, after looking upon the universe as an outside observer (what I think his hallucination in Carcosa was), he was reborn and was given new meaning. Mainly, he understands that even if we are doomed to do the same things over and over, there’s still some value in doing good.”
"I thought it was an awesome metaphor for jesus. Cohl brings forth all this evidence of murder/cult, he’s the "Savior". But because his notions are so inconceivable with the involvement of high up people, he gets fired and questioned as the killer himself, "crucifixion". He looked just like Jesus, and had spilled his blood to save others. He brought light to the darkness. He was in a coma for three days too. Agreed. The walk into the catacombs/carcosa recalled the Garden of Gethsemane. Plants everywhere”
”Cohle mentions that they didn’t get them all to Marty. I think it’s important that not everyone is caught because it shows the reality that you can’t get them all, but that it doesn’t make it a loss. It also shows the futility of trying to make everything right in the world, because in reality you can’t. That was Cohle’s original viewpoint on life, and it wasn’t necessarily wrong, but it was so pessimistic that he was missing out on the little stars of light that creep through the black sky of life. In his coma, he finds the love and discovers the light. Marty transforms through his actions, we see his bravery and such. Rust is still a dynamic character, seen through his final monologue and closing line.”
“I think a lot of the ending was speaking metaphorically and the whole cult thing was just a symbol for institutionalized evil, so I guess if you look at it from that lens it would be unrealistic for them to shut the whole thing down… right?”
“It said evil has always existed, but Cohle testifies to the optimism of good’s triumph. Obviously it’s an ongoing triumph; they won’t ever definitively defeat evil, as it’s been there before the advent of good. The cult symbolizes the larger darkness in the universe that will always be prevalent. Whereas defeating Errol was one decisive battle. They certainly did not give up. Did the story cover the rest of their lives? No. It covered what was relevant. “
“How do people not see that all of the cult members are dead?
Reggie - Dead
DeWall - Dead
Rev. Tuttle - Dead
Ted Childress - Dead
Errol Childress - Dead
That’s that as far as all of the people we KNOW to be involved in the cult. Could Sen. Tuttle and other family members be involved? Maybe, but there was no evidence to suggest that. Furthermore, though she may be a bit off, Errol’s sister/lover was talking to the detectives. Papania and Gilbrough straight up said so. This implies they have everything covered. So Sen. Tuttle denies the familial ties? Wouldn’t any public figure? As far as we know, he is/was only a peripheral character in every way, with no evidence to suggest that he was involved other than that he was a Tuttle and likely knew of the mythos.
Errol was so obviously the one doing the killing. The bodies were buried on his property and he even mentions that Reggie and DeWall were “witnesses,” but names NO ONE ELSE. After seeing what the former domestic worker had to say about the family and Carcosa, all we can say with a vague certainty is that other family members may have known about the pedophilia/ritual murders, but there is no evidence to suggest they were directly linked to the killings. All signs point to closure.
The rest is speculation, which means it could be possible; however, the writers did not provide any evidence with which to identify any other definite culprits, so why complain that these theoretical accomplices were not caught? The show has consistently hinted that there are ever-present forces of darkness. In this show, they got the ones they knew were evil. Reverend Tuttle provided the opportunity via his schools for rural children, Reggie and DeWall provided the means via the drugs and held the children, and Errol “was the worst of all.” The rest is the ever-present periphery of evil the show hints at, but neither we nor the detectives know who they are. Furthermore, Errol’s inbred sister/lover was talking and CID was on top of it. Marty cut Papania and Gilbrough off before they could elaborate, but her capture and their statement that she is talking serve to telegraph to the viewer that it will be taken care of; the loose ends, that is.”
“No one is denying that there were others involved in Marie Fontenot’s death and probably other murders. However, Rust and Marty’s case was Dora Lang. And they solved it. They also solved the Lake Charles case at the same time. They also cleared up a lot of missing persons cases with the bodies they found on Errol’s property. Oh yeah, and they killed LeDeaux and Dewall. That was their job, and then some. If the cult is still going on, there is the FBI, who was given the evidence. Newspapers and media outlets were given the evidence. Papnia and Gilbough, who know and continue to investigate. You can’t be naive enough to think that every single murder would get cleared up in a heartbeat by two guys, no matter how much the story focused on the cult. Rust and Marty did their part. The found closure and clarity from their part in it. WTF more does anyone want?”
And then I woke up.
"Come die with me little priest."